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Bad Habits

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by Stewart Hase

I have a couple of heutagogical stories to tell after spending some time with a couple of my increasing tribe of grand children. Given the heutagogical sophistication of readers of this blog it is likely these stories are not surprising. But I’m moved to tell them anyway as a reflection that might be useful.

I suspect that when our tribes were smaller, when we had just emerged from the swamp, and socially more collective, rather than individual, that kids learnt by scraping their knees. It’s not hard to imagine a world in which exploration and testing hypotheses about how the world worked was the door to survival to maturity. The community looked after children and they probably ran a little wild, at least according to the present day, and learnt by experience.

This thought came about as a result of playing with Lego blocks with Master 2 year old this week. It didn’t take him long to work out how to put the blocks together and away we went, or at least I did. I was building a house and I thought he was helping. But Master 2 was intent on making all sorts of other shapes and generally seeing what he could do with the blocks, in between adding to the walls and a nice tall tower. I found myself giving instructions, talking about what a house should look like and generally guiding the young newcomer to the art of building with Lego.


How easy it is to fall into the trap of taking control of the agenda, interfering with natural learning by exploration, stifling creativity and limiting rather than expanding options? And this from someone who practices something completely different when ‘training’ or ‘educating’. The truth is we are involved in learning opportunities all the time, not just in classrooms, real or virtual. How easy to tell rather than lead, to assume that because we think we know that we can instruct rather than jointly explore. Given what we know about the frailty of memory, the way in which we bias our perceptions and distort reality, we should have no confidence in what we think is right.

The other heutagogical example involves Miss 9. While she and her Master 4 year old brother were getting ready for school when I asked them what dragons they were going to slay that day. Master 4 responded that there were no such things as dragons. Miss 9 thought about if for a while and then asked me what I really meant. I explained metaphors to her and then we talked about an example, ‘A stich in time saves nine’. She got it pretty right. In the evening we were playing cards and her father suggested she hold her cards closer to her chest because her brother could see them. About a minute later, Miss 9 asked me whether that meant that she should also keep secrets. Apart from the implications regarding formal operations at that age, it just goes to show that if we give people time and just wait, they might surprise you.

Humans are innate problems solvers. We like exploring, testing ourselves and our environment, being creative and our brains like to mull things over subconsciously while our conscious mind is involved in other things. We just need to give it time: an uncommon feature in our modern era. And we ‘teachers’ need to be learning leaders.


3 comments on “Bad Habits

  1. Christian Alexander
    August 25, 2015

    Hi Doctor Hase,
    I think the dilemma we face when trying to facilitate heutagologically is two-fold. One the one hand we want them to learn by and through themselves and we want learning to occur in a timely manner.

    I think you’ve hit the crux of the matter. Heutagogy takes time. Real learning occurs when when we are truly intrigued with a matter and self-determine ourselves to solve it. However, if I can point out an observation, isn’t the very act of trying to facilitate heutagological learning destroying the fabric of self-determined learning?

    I think, in an odd twist of irony, our very intentions can interrupt this fantastic process. I liken it to quantum theory where the very act of observing an experiment can affect the outcome. I want to figure out how to facilitate heutagogy within a community (school) environment where these two seemingly opposing forces can be married to create a most effective and productive educational experience for young students (middle school). I believe that if this is done properly, we will be seeing middle school/high school students on the forefront of innovation and learning at levels comparable to college students.

    But how?

  2. Stewart Hase
    August 25, 2015

    Hi Chris,

    life is full of compromises isn’t it. From a purely theoretical point of view, yes, facilitating self-determined learning is a paradox. But in nature there is a ton of evidence to suggest that all species, including humans, need guidance, a light touch on the arm, so to speak. Not all learning is casual. It would be completely counter productive to let a young member of the tribe go off hunting without a mentor, or go down to the crocodile infested river with a bucket without guidance. I think Steiner and Monetessori have the formula right.

    So, its true, I think, that learning is not completely a random process but it is still self-determined. What we mean by that phrase is that deep learning may well occur at random times and not to the dictates of the curriculum. Competence attainment (knowledge and skills) are a different matter and are essential. In our recent books we have distinguished between deep learning and competency learning as two different processes. The latter is the laying down of pathways, the former is when pathways interact in interesting ways to create new ways of seeing the world, ah ah experiences and so on.This is an important distinction.

    The books can be found on Amazon and available in electronic format. But you can get an article taken from one of the book chapters at http://bibblio.org/o/Dm/heutagogy-articles.

    Thanks for engaging

    • Christian Alexander
      August 26, 2015

      Very well put. And I agree with you completely. I think my question would be, can we reduce the randomness of self-determined learning and create something i.e., a system, environment or paradigm, where we can facilitate this and yet at the same time reduce the paradox of facilitating self-determined learning. Does Sugata Mitra have the answer?

      He calls it the “grandmother” effect or something thereabouts.

      Thank you for pointing me to your book. I will surly check it out.

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